Eva (00:04):Hey there, you’re listening to the My Sleeping Baby podcast, which is all about baby and child sleep. I’m so excited to teach you how you can get your little ones sleeping so that you can sleep too and enjoy parenthood to its fullest. I’m Eva Klein, your resident’s sleep expert, mom of three, founder of the Sleep Bible online coaching program, and lover of all things sleep and motherhood. If you’re looking for tangible solutions for your little one sleep woes or you simply want to learn more, this podcast is for you. For more information, check out mysleepingbaby.com and you can follow me on Instagram and Facebook @mysleepingbaby.

All right, Stacy, thank you so much for being here today on the My Sleeping Baby podcast. I’m so happy to have you here.

Thanks so much.

Amazing. So why don’t you tell everybody you know a little bit about yourself?

Yeah, so I’m a mom of two. I have a, well, he’ll be five in my gosh, two days. And then I have a one year old and I hired a sleep consultant for when my son was a baby in Denver and did not go very well. So when I had my daughter, I wasn’t gonna do it cause we just didn’t have a great experience. And you know, when you’re Googling stuff in the middle of the night, Yes, I got <laugh>, I got Google added for a lot of stuff. And something came across for you or it was a podcast and had to, you know, the universe gives many signs and it was just a sign. So

I did a lot of And remind what city you live in, like where you were Googling from.

Um, we’re in Roberts, Wisconsin, so we’re really close to the Twin Cities Minneapolis.

Got it. Okay. And I’m based in Toronto, so I guess that’s just sort of how, you know, Google and the internet works, which is very cool. <laugh>. So you’re Googling at, you know, one or three o’clock in the morning because I’m assuming that sleep at that point. How old was your little one when you started to research looking out for some help?

So I was in the hospital for three days, so probably her fourth day. Okay. She didn’t sleep great in the hospital and I already had an issue with Flynn, so I just had this feeling that I was gonna have an issue. So I was just, I can do this on my own, I’m fine. And long story short, you just can’t. Yeah. And I tried for so long, I signed up when she was two months. My doctor gave me book recommendations and I loved your model of it being a monthly program for us. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>, I mean the, one of the biggest reasons this worked is we were in so much stress. My husband had his knee done, he had his knee replacement. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. And then two weeks after I had my daughter, I found out I had a brain tumor.

Right?

Yes. So I was like, Okay, I’m about to have major brain surgery, I need sleep. The thing for brain injuries is you need sleep.

Right, Right.

Course. So this was way higher upper priority than it was for Flynn. Like, yes, I love sleep, but now it was like for my health and to Yes. Just on a whole new level. So yes,

I remember getting that email from you. Yeah. You know, you had said like, No, no pressure or anything, Eva, but I really need to know if this is gonna work because you, and you shared with me that initial diagnosis and Yeah. And I was going, Oh my gosh, no, please Stacy, come in, come and join us. We, we, we would love to help you here.

Well, and you were really gracious with showing me examples and giving me like, and I’m just really trepidacious because I knew it didn’t work the first time. So I’m like, I don’t wanna get bamboozled again. And financially we were struggling. My husband had to take four months off of work, unpaid. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>, I had just gotten off of partially unpaid maternity leave. And now I was about to go on another partially unpaid medical leave.

Right.

So financially, I was like, we can’t spend another couple hundred bucks on every other sleeping program that I Googled. So when yours came through, the universe was giving me signs about it being a monthly program, it being affordable. And I’m like, Okay, jump the gun. Do it. And literally, right when I started the courses, I was just like, you know, it’s in all your videos. Y Eva, why didn’t I do this sooner? <laugh>.

Yeah. <laugh>,

Why when I started Googling on day five, why did I wait so long? And it’s just, it was a saving grace from right away. Right. So the videos were so impactful because my first sleep consultant taught me one program. It was, I don’t even remember what it was, but I had her for six weeks. It was $400. She taught me one way where you, you were by the crib and then you slowly walked away and then it didn’t work.

Right. Right. So

That was,

And there were no other options. It was just is what we’re gonna do.

Yeah. Right. She made me manually track on a piece of paper. I’d have to send her pictures and I’d call her for stuff. It was super old school. And yeah. And it, I mean it wa it is what it is. So then when I saw your program, how you taught everything, everything was super easy with online access and then Facebook, it’s just the way the world now. Everything should be on social media and there’s an app for that. Like there’s a something for that. So Right. To have digital access was really, really helpful for me. Right. And I needed quick answers. I couldn’t wait for someone. And you’re so quick when it came to

That. Yeah. Let me take a step back. So I wanna hear more about, before you had joined the Sleep Bible and you were in that self-help Googling, Googling like crazy stage. Um, did that, what was that stage like? What was it like going on the internet where you and I both know there is no shortage of information, so it’s not like there’s nothing written about baby sleep out there. Um, if anything, it’s the opposite. Right? So what did it feel like trying to navigate all the various different websites and blog posts and forums and podcast episodes and advice from one place saying this and one place saying that? Where, how, what was that like and where did it get you?

So luckily I’m pretty savvy and I prefer my method of learning through podcasts. So the first thing I did was, um, Google newborn sleep. And you know, your podcast came up, others came up. So you listened to a couple, you kind of gather some information. My couple, my girlfriends had babies at the same time I did. And they were talking about, I don’t like to name drop, but they were talking about very specific sleep program. Like, Oh my gosh, this saved our life best. And I’m like, Oh my God, what is it? Yeah. What’s the trick? And I’m, you know, using my card of, you know, I’m, I don’t have the finances to just spend a couple hundred on something that I know won’t work. Right. And so they were like, Oh yeah, here it is. It’s this acronym, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. I’m like, Okay. I guess that works. But not really. Again, it’s an acronym. It’s this one thing. It doesn’t, it doesn’t fit all babies. Yeah. So Google was leading me just to like the bump articles and articles that are really generic mm-hmm. <affirmative>. And then doctors are leading me to books, which I don’t have the capacity to read

Right.

When I’m sleep deprived. And I already can’t comprehend medical written books because I’m very fictiony and it just doesn’t comprehend with me. So right. In that whole research thing, I relied on my friends who were currently having babies and I used them to kind of decipher some of the things that I knew wouldn’t work. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. And again, for some reason the universe just led me to your program. And I, I’m a big believer in the secret and the law of attraction and when you think of something it will just, it will appear. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>, I don’t know how, and I don’t remember how, but it did.

Right, Right, right. And then you joined and what did you find was the most helpful for you in terms of the support and, you know, the way that the advice and the different methods were taught? Like what did you find was, you know, the game changer for you?

So the, for me, the game changer wasn’t even learning the different types of sleep programs. It was all the information, like kind of in front and behind it. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>, like for me, distracted feeding your pot or your slide on distracted feeding. Yeah. I’m like, Oh, I can skip this. But then I was like, Don’t skip it, don’t skip anything. Just be a vessel and be a sponge. Right. So, and I was like, that’s a thing. Distracted. And then I started doing it and she was eating better, which then if she’s eating better, she’s sleeping better.

Totally.

And I’m like, I didn’t even know that that was relatable to sleep. So it’s little things like that.

Yeah.

And then, you know, having a more in depth conversation with daycare because I don’t have control of her sleep there. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. But then learning about her sleep environment, trying to mimic it, trying to make it, I actually printed your sheet and gave it to them at daycare and I was like, You are not to go without these windows. This is her window. This is that. And so they had it printed in her little thing and I’m like, What are other babies doing? And they’re like, They don’t have anything like this. They just do whatever we want. And I’m like, I’m so sorry to be picky, but this is what I need for my sanity. Like I am dealing with a major brain trauma. I need her to sleep good here. So she sleeps good at home. Absolutely.

And

You were really awesome and really great. So for me it was the template with the wake windows that was the best cause that just is great for daycare and people helping.

Right.

And all the little ancillary videos and you saying, I don’t remember which video it was a part of. If you have something going on in your life, don’t worry about it. Don’t stick to the rules. Don’t stick to the plan. Cuz that was me. I mean, I was dealing with it. Right. So having days or weeks where you, we were off, I didn’t feel so defeated and so worthless. It was like, okay, it’s okay. We can get back to it. Yes. It’s all right. So for me it was all the little videos and the template of the wake windows. Cuz I am very visual and to have that, I’m like, okay, how old is she now? Where is, Okay? Perfect. Yes. So for me, those were the best tools.

Amazing. Because listen, I mean a a a brain tumor I would say is the epitome of life events, uncontrollable life events that can sometimes throw a wrench into, I mean, basically everything to do with life, including but not limited to your baby’s sleep. Right. Yeah. And I think that there is this, um, misconception that the only way to have a great sleeper is if you follow all the rules seven days a week, 365 days of the year. And if you have an off date or an off week here and there just don’t even bother. It’s all or nothing. It’s not all or nothing. Mm-hmm. Not, because first of all, that’s thankfully it sounds like you, you were able to get back into a routine. It wasn’t chaos for, you know, a year. It was probably chaotic a little bit here and a little bit there depending on where you were at. But then when you’ve got solid sleep habits introduced, it’s so much easier to get them back on track. Mm-hmm. <affirmative> when life becomes a little bit more routine again. Is that, is that what you found?

Yeah. Cause I mean, I was out in San Diego to see a specialist for two weeks. So I mean I, you know, that’s a thing. I have no control how my mom’s gonna handle that, how she’s gonna handle without being by me. So Yeah. To to really let go and not feel so restricted. And the other sleep program, I felt restricted. Yeah. I felt like I had this template I had to write in and I, oh, I had to sit by his, I couldn’t touch him. Oh, don’t touch him or else he’s gonna whatever. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. And I felt, and then somewhere maybe it was your videos or some podcast when your baby’s crying, they just want you mm-hmm. <affirmative>, they just want a human, they just want their mom, they just want their dad. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. So sometimes it’s so much bigger than, than a sleep program or a rule.

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Right. So I had to give myself grace and understand, you know, it’s so great to know all this stuff and to have a routine, but it’s okay to slip mm-hmm. <affirmative>. And then I hear my friends talking about how their kids sleep. <laugh> mm-hmm. <affirmative>. And I just laugh cuz I’m like, I’ve given you all the tools. I’ve told you that there’s this amazing sleep program and I wish you would take it to heart. Cause I can’t teach you everything. I can’t take you through all the things I, it really is, you have to do it all or nothing. And you have to be invested. And I was invested. I was very invested. Yes. So my husband, um, wouldn’t, didn’t watch the videos. I wish he would’ve, but at the same time he just piggybacked off my routine and what I was learning and he absorbed everything I was teaching him little by little.

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And so we’re on the same page. And then you also gave me great feedback on my son because my son was never a great sleeper. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. And then he was great regressed when my daughter came. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>, you taught me he needed to go to bed way earlier. And I’m like, No way. That’s way too early. And now that we’re doing it way earlier, he’s sleeping through the night. And I’m like, right, he doesn’t need that. But again, you can’t take whatever article and podcast says, sometimes you just have to take advice. And that tiny little tweak in his sleep program fixed everything.

Right. Yes. Yes. I know. And you know what? And that’s why from the very beginning when I was putting this program together, I made sure that it wasn’t going to be a DIY program without any follow up support. Because at the end of the day, we’re dealing with humans here. We’re not dealing with robots. And you’re going to have questions and scenarios that you need to be able to run by me and I’m gonna wanna be able to help you. And so that was why from the very beginning, I had regular office hours and a member of only Facebook groups. So that questions like yours could get answered. Allowing me to be able to tell you, Yeah, I think your kiddo’s actually going to bed too late. So good news because A, it means he’s not gonna be gonna bed over tired anymore and B, you’re gonna get a longer evening out of it. Which is mm-hmm. <affirmative> always a huge win. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>, you were away for two weeks and your mom was looking after your, your little ones, I mean your baby in particular. How did, how did she do, how did that go given that even though you were out of town, you were already in the program so you know, you were able to give your mom that guidance on what to do in terms of sleep.

Yeah, she, she’s a very good follower, I guess. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>, I mean, she’s a very good grandma. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>, she doesn’t wanna interrupt the apple cart. And she listens to what she’s told, especially with babies with my son. If I tell her not to give him sugar after whatever time I know that’s gonna slip. Yeah. But with babies, she’s on board, She listens. So for me the routine was, you know, here’s her wake window. Mm-hmm. <affirmative> and she actually, um, found some template maybe, I don’t know if you have this on your site or not, but it, it’s just a template for diapers, whatever. And I had your template underneath it. So she would, would write every day. So then she knew if she got up at this time, she needs to go down at this time. So for her, when I was gone, she wrote our hand, wrote everything down so she could keep track of it and then mm-hmm. <affirmative>, she had your she’d underneath. So it was just a reminder. But I pumped up until brain surgery cause I, I don’t wanna deal with pumping in surgery.

Mm-hmm.

<affirmative>. So I was strict about what time she got bottles, when they were cleaned, whatever. So she would write it all down. But she knew at the end of the night you um, we do a bath, like a really quick, that’s just her winding down to a quick bath bottle books play. And then she snuggles for a minute and then she goes to sleep awake with, Now she can have her levy and she rolls around and plays for a second. But pretty much she’s out the moment that we put her like in awake, she falls asleep so quick.

Amazing. But

It’s consistent and it’s never changed. Even with my mom here.

Yeah.

Yes. It’s someone else doing it, but it was just bath. Well I had this like bath bottle playtime be like, you know, this cadence, like just do it in that order, don’t mess it up. And I even like, like put her sleep sack on it this time and do the bottle at this time and whatever magic worked and she listened and she obeyed. So. Amazing.

And how old was your baby at the time that you were gone for that two week period?

Seven months.

She was seven months. Okay. And the end and the end result it sounds like was that your baby probably slept so much better for your mom as a result of your mom knowing what to do, right? Mm-hmm. <affirmative>.

Absolutely. Cuz she, when we were little, I remember sneaking in and she would sleep on the couch on the back door cuz she’d be like, I’m gonna catch ’em cuz they’re coming in late. She never woke up. She was a bear. Yeah. So I’m like, I’m so scared because she’s not gonna wake up if, if Lily cries uhhuh. But then with older age she’s like, I have to pee every two seconds so I wake up anyways. So it made me feel better that, you know, I was just scared cuz I didn’t want her to cry and have her not hear. Yeah. But since I gave her this program and this training and these tools, Lily was already sleeping great. And then my mom had these tools, if she didn’t how to recorrect mm-hmm. <affirmative>. And in the middle of the night when she would get up, it’s just so easy.

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You go in and just, she wants a person. I, I hated the last program. If they cry, go in and just pat ’em on the back. It’s like I felt, I just didn’t feel like a mom. It made me feel so restricting. So it’s like, hold her for a sec, calm her down. Mm-hmm <affirmative>, hold her back down awake. Yeah. And then get out of there. Right. So I think she had really good tools. And then for me, she actually started sleeping through the night right before I left for surgery. So when I came home, cuz you know, I started the program at two months, but with all the stuff going on with what we had, she was sleeping good but never through the night uhhuh. But it was just at a universe.

She was only two months. So, you know, the goal of that age is to get us some nice stretches, but mm-hmm. <affirmative> 12 hours sleeper at two months, I would say is pretty darn rare. <laugh>.

Well my sisters of course my two sisters are formula fed babies and they would sleep through the night at two months, both of ’em. Really?

Wow. That’s still pretty rare, even for a balded

Baby. Super rare.

Very rare.

So, and breastfed babies again are different. Mm-hmm. <affirmative> and my, my babies are just smaller. They were just smaller kiddos. They still are. Yeah. So for me at seven months, getting her through the night, well really at six because it happened right before we left.

Yeah.

That was just like, it was such a relief. I could focus on me, I could focus on my healing and my stuff going on

And not have to feel guilty that your baby is thinking up your mom, that you know that she’s gonna let your mom sleep. Mm-hmm. <affirmative> and you just focus on you. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. And there was a lot to focus on for that period of time. That must have been a game changer.

It was the game changer. Cause and then, you know, I’m in this brain tumor group. I have a, I had an acoustic neuro, which is coming outta your vestibular nerve, which is your balance and vertigo. It’s next to your facial and hearing 50% of people come out of this surgery with facial paralysis and they most, I lost my hearing, mostly lose their hearing. And then you have one vestibular. So your balance and vertigo were off for the rest of your life. But I came in as a yoga instructor so I was like 10 steps ahead of most people. So for me, I knew my biggest thing would just be sleep for any brain injury and trauma is sleep. So. Right. I actually, a side story, my job approved me for 12 weeks of time. Mm-hmm.

<affirmative>.

And then my neurosurgeon just wrote a letter back, you know, many of the letters and said she’s officially, she can work after eight, but you know, whatever. So then I took off the full 12, I get back to work and they’re like, Oh, you were supposed to return to work four weeks ago mm-hmm. <affirmative>. And I’m like, What do you mean? And they’re like, Well your neurosurgeon wrote that you could work at after eight. I’m like, well yeah. As a typical brain surgery, sure I can return after eight, but I’m a new mom. Like I have an infant at home Of course. So I’m already getting lack of sleep. And so I had to actually fight and work with my physical therapist and my neurosurgeons team for them to say, yes, typical patients need eight weeks off. But as a new mom, yeah you need more time. Of course. Because you’re dealing with lack of sleep and sleep is the only medicine for me. There’s nothing I can take but time and sleep.

Absolutely.

So actually

Speaking to a Canadian, you’re speaking to a Canadian who hears about your six week mat leave situation, uh, you know, in the US and it, it’s, it sounds too horrible to be true. So yeah, you’re preaching to the choir here as somewhat, you know, and here we get 12 to 18 months off. So Yeah, I’m, I’m with you in that, it goes without saying that recovering from brain surgery plus having a newborn means you’re getting need a little bit of time off to recover. Just saying

It just was, it was super infuriating because the people on the phone are just coordinators and they’re like, Well your neurosurgeon said this. I’m like, Yeah, but he has 10 patients a week. He didn’t account for me being a new mom. Like I’m just one of his 10 patients for that week. Right. My surgery was two months ago so I had to fight tooth and nail and it was, it was, I’m grateful that my daughter really was sleeping through the night. Yeah. But still, it’s still the matter of that she could have gotten up and I was dealing with it. So I’m very grateful for a program that allowed me to fully heal. And I do red light and other things to help heal faster. But sleep is the number one thing for her and for me. Right. And my son too. My son’s like a boy. You have boys, they’re just

Nuts. Yeah.

Yeah. They’re not so Right. And he’s ADHD type cause my husband is mm-hmm <affirmative> and he works so much during the day. I’m like, you need to sleep. Yes. And this program I not only helped for the baby, but it really helped me find some mechanisms and tricks for him too. Cuz everyone needs sleep but mm-hmm <affirmative>, my kids specifically at that time just needed that program the most.

Amazing. And so what’s life for you? Like now you’ve been in the program, you completed it, you know, for a year and so what is, what would you say, like what did life look like overall before you started and what does life look like for you today sleep wise?

Yeah, so it’s, it’s funny you always say like pre covid. So for me it’s pre brain tumor, <laugh>. Yeah. You know, pre brain tumor. My son was going to bed at like eight to nine and we had to sit in his room with him until he fell asleep. Uhhuh. So we would divide and conquer, my husband would put him down and then I would put the baby down and with Lily we would do the routine. She’d get up in a couple hours, I’d get a bottle, I’d go pump. I wasn’t getting any sleep. So we did this. And then when I joined I was really focused on her. So then I learned all these tricks and tips. I started implementing them slowly in Shirley. The, the way the sleep got longer and longer. And then for Flynn, when I finally had gotten a lot of her stuff figured out, that’s when I asked you, Hey, what’s going on?

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I need more help with him. And you’re like, let’s, Well how old is he? What all the questions? And so then we narrowed and got him to bed sooner. So now before he was going down eight or nine now we start his routine at seven. He’s in bed at seven 30. Yeah. And he’s asleep by 7 45, 8 without us. Amazing. So we, we, his is, we call it the chill sack. We sit in his chill sack for like five minutes cuz my husband essentially has a heating pad on it. So he likes to sit in the heating pad for five minutes. <laugh>. Right. <laugh>. And then he goes up while he’s still sleeping and my dog’s still down there. So he knows he’s there. And then for Lily, we start her bath at six 30, bottle at 6 45. Play in her room until seven and then I’m out.

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You know? Right. Sometimes she’s teething right now like all one year olds are. So she’ll get up at least once a night just cuz of teething. Mm-hmm <affirmative>. But because I have all these systems in plan with her, I hold her, I can console her. I hum. Or do something and she’s back dog so quick. Yeah. Yeah. Before she was inconsolable and I had no methods to get her back down correctly and then I’d have to hold her back and pat her back until she was fully asleep. So now because they have the message of falling them, falling asleep on their own, really the pre for my son was going to bed late, now he’s going to bed earlier, sleeping through the whole night. Yeah. Lily is not needing those crutches to fall back asleep because she’s learned how to do it on her own.

Amazing. And so what’s it like having your evenings back for all this time that are no longer taken up by getting your kiddos to sleep?

Yeah, so we go to bed at nine 30, we’re asleep by 10. So now, you know, with Flynn going down by 7 38 and her, her down by seven, it’s amazing cuz then Derek’s downstairs with my son from seven 30 to eight. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. So I get a whole hour or a half hour to myself. Right. So I red light, I do an infrared on my scar. I do a physical therapy program cause I hurt my back when I had my son. Mm-hmm. <affirmative> and then, or I’ll do a workout if I didn’t get one in, I will take a bath. Like I get a half hour to me every day, which I don’t get.

Right.

So gotten back for self care because self care is super important to me. And if mama’s cop isn’t full, no one is

A hundred percent. And how are you now health wise in terms of your brain tumor? What’s the update there?

Yep. So they removed a hundred percent of the tumor. Awesome. Which with brain tumors, it’s hard to remove it all because it’s connected to things that are really important. So for me, they removed all of it, which is rare. So I’m really grateful for that. I lost hearing in the left ear just due to damage. They preserved my hearing nerve and preserved my facial nerve, which is the most important <laugh>. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. Um, so I just am adjusting to single sided hearing.

Mm-hmm. <affirmative>

And you know, it is nice when I don’t wanna hear things, I can put my good ear down.

<laugh>. That’s true.

<laugh>. And then when I need to hear things like the monitors on my right, my good side, my monitors on the right side. And I’m just learning how to, you know, if I need to hear something lean on my bad ear. But vertigo and balance are great. I’m used to teach yoga, so I wanna get back into that soon. Awesome. Dealing with, you know, tennis elbow and plantar fasciitis. Other fun things that, Fun

Things

Motherhood.

Yeah. Yeah. Brain,

Brain tumor stuff is good. So I’ll have a follow up in February just to take, get an MRI and make sure it really is gone. Cuz brain tumors just have a way of coming back. <laugh>. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So we’ll just get that confirmation and then we’ll be good to go.

Amazing. Well listen, I’m so honored to have been able to come with you on this really big important journey over the last year. I mean, gosh, there was a lot that has happened in the last year in terms of a baby, a brain tumor and everything that comes along with both. And I’m just so thrilled that Yeah. The, the internet gods were able to bring us together and, uh, and I was able to help you through this, so mm-hmm. <affirmative>, you know, one last question for you. If there’s anyone listening in who’s thinking about joining the Sleep Bible program but is hesitant for, you know, many different reasons, what would you say to them?

Well be inquisitive. Like I was, I reached out to you and you were extremely gracious with answering my questions even before I was in it. Yeah. You know, you, you, you reach out to people and they don’t answer. You get a generic inbox like you’re a person, you’re a human. Yeah. You’re accessible, You wanna help. You can tell that by your message and your free content. I think that’s also really huge is mm-hmm. <affirmative>, you’re willing to give a little bit and help. And you have that free master class, you have the free template. So I just, I would say, you know, like you say, everyone’s biggest regret is not joining mm-hmm. <affirmative> and doing it monthly for me, financially made sense with what we were going through. And I put it in our budget. We do the Dave Ramsey financial program and I put your 32 Canadian, whatever the conversion to American works

Out well with Americans.

Yeah. I put that in my budget and that was a non-negotiable that mm-hmm. <affirmative>, you know, that was 30 bucks. I wasn’t spending out on a lunch. Yeah. So for me, my sleep, it was more important. And for moms who are on the fence, reach out, ask questions, do the masterclass and believe with your gut. I mean, moms have the best gut feeling out there. Go with your gut. Yeah. And you, I know you’re un a very accommodating person just by how I’ve been interacting with you. Just do it. And if you don’t like it, it’s not the end of the world. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. But for me, I had that in mind. If you don’t try something, you’ll never know. I just, I pulled the trigger and I loved it. And that happens with a lot of stuff for me because my gut is telling me to do it. The universe has led me here. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>, if you’re listening to the podcast, if you’ve heard something or been introduced to the Sleep Bible, it’s for a reason. Mm-hmm.

<affirmative>,

The universe led you there somehow. And just go with your gut.

Stacey, you’re gonna make me cry. <laugh>, you’re making me tear up here, <laugh>. That was not part of the plan, but it’s okay. I am, I am okay with that. Listen, I’m so happy again that you’ve, that you were able to join my program again, everything that you needed out of it plus more. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>, you should, everything should continue to go well with your recovery. And I’m very excited for you to get back into yoga teaching as mm-hmm. <affirmative>, you know, quickly and effortlessly as you can because I’m sure the world, the world needs you back in that department too. So thank you again for your time. Thank you everyone for listening in and you all

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